WIP MEC4D - Creations for Dawn 2 and Dusk 2 , work in progress

[Ken1171]

I am open to suggestions.

 

[DanaTA]

One question...in test 3, the white ball seems to be emitting light. Why is there a heavy shadow from the ball above it, and the ground doesn't look extra illuminated near it.

Dana

 

[Miss B]

Thanks Miss B , I have a lot of new HDRI maps.. also a lot from NYC while pandemic , Central Park, empty streets, Bear Mountains, 7 Lakes NYC etc.. just perfect for the 3D scene , once I setup the proper way everything I will be ready to make a products from my collections .
I need to talk to Ken, he may help me doing HDRI control panel using script for easy usage.

Ohhhh Central Park! That is a great source for HDRi backgrounds.

 

[MEC4D]

One question...in test 3, the white ball seems to be emitting light. Why is there a heavy shadow from the ball above it, and the ground doesn't look extra illuminated near it.

Dana

Because HDRI can't illuminate from standard light , but if you have 3D scene with floor it works great in combination with standard light and emitters .

 

[Daniel Hicks(OganicPic)]

Hello,

I am excited today since finally I setup my HDRI maps to use in Poser 12 , one map for everything ( no external spheres needed no more) , no other lights needed , proper PBR materials and looks just like in iray , also I made some setting for the contrast, aperture/shutter speed and tone .

very excited ..

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me wants it , me wants it alot

 

[MEC4D]

Made some more tests , my HDRI from Staten Island "Snug Harbor " & Botanical Gardens and not other light source, model is Poser P3D2 Monastery , oldy but still goldy , didn't even touched the materials .. no post work , since there are no lights in the scene I had to use ScreeD in place of Open GL viewport .
I love how things melting together , rendered 500 samples for each render .

 

[Miss B]

Looking wonderful Cath. I don't think I've ever rendered anything with 500 samples. I think the most I've ever done in Poser is 100 samples.

 

[MEC4D]

Looking wonderful Cath. I don't think I've ever rendered anything with 500 samples. I think the most I've ever done in Poser is 100 samples.

Thanks Miss B , I have 12000 cudas so it get quick in no time with GPU rendering , it definitely render faster than in iray .

P.S added horses "Harry" for my old frame to print.
Tomorrow I will try to setup some skin for Dawn2 in Poser12

 

[MEC4D]

Guys and Gals
here are 2 SSS setting I started working on in Poser12 , the only light in scene is HDRI and plain OBJ , since I did not have yet the main version installed so totally plain.
personally I like #2 so far as it is more "fleshy" and reflecting better enviorment , but #1 reflecting the environment more accurate according to PBR , so most SSS happening in cavities . Both are for Cycles Surface -Superfly

Let me know what is your favor. It is work in progress so things my change , but I need some starting point .
so #1 or #2

Thanks
Cath

 

[unreal]

Are you TRYING to break everyone's bank account honey??? LOL

Just do us all a favor and DO NOT release all this at the same time. YIKES! My wallet just started sweating. Not pretty!

IKR? This is what I was thinking too. I can only get so much "hobby spending" through my accountant per month.

 

[unreal]

Guys and Gals
here are 2 SSS setting I started working on in Poser12 , the only light in scene is HDRI and plain OBJ , since I did not have yet the main version installed so totally plain.
personally I like #2 so far as it is more "fleshy" and reflecting better enviorment , but #1 reflecting the environment more accurate according to PBR , so most SSS happening in cavities . Both are for Cycles Surface -Superfly

Let me know what is your favor. It is work in progress so things my change , but I need some starting point .
so #1 or #2

Thanks
Cath

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I like the nose in 2 but the ears in 1. Number 1 interacts with the light better. But number 2 has the nicer colour. It's actually easier to see the difference when they're side by side and smaller because I can take in all of both at the same time.

Actually, this makes me want to create a 3d render and bring it up on my TV (3d). The old PS3 can show high res 3d images on a 3d tv. I've been wanting to play with this for a while. I have a bunch of historic 3d glass slides I need to compose into 3d images.

 

[unreal]

Because HDRI can't illuminate from standard light , but if you have 3D scene with floor it works great in combination with standard light and emitters .

No shadow catcher in Poser for superfly, right? I thought Blender (cycles) had one? Or is there, now?

I didn't play much with HDRI in poser 12. At least, not with scenes that needed a catcher.

 

[MEC4D]

No shadow catcher in Poser for superfly, right? I thought Blender (cycles) had one? Or is there, now?

I didn't play much with HDRI in poser 12. At least, not with scenes that needed a catcher.

Yes shadow catcher is already done for Superfly , I just made renders with it today , check my early posts .. no more spheres for HDRI , straight into the engine and working as a charm . I was waiting for it for a while now, so glad they listen to my opinion, it is game changer for me .

 

[MEC4D]

I like the nose in 2 but the ears in 1. Number 1 interacts with the light better. But number 2 has the nicer colour. It's actually easier to see the difference when they're side by side and smaller because I can take in all of both at the same time.

Actually, this makes me want to create a 3d render and bring it up on my TV (3d). The old PS3 can show high res 3d images on a 3d tv. I've been wanting to play with this for a while. I have a bunch of historic 3d glass slides I need to compose into 3d images.

Thanks for your feedback , same here , the reason I am asking , also the cavity in #2 produce more AO than in the first model settings . The color can be changed as that is not big deal but the point is for SSS, it will be different with regular spot light , right now it is full blown sun .

I was doing 3D cross eyes renders .. 3D glasses makes me dizzy , same for VR , my vertigo freaking out .

 

[unreal]

Yes shadow catcher is already done for Superfly , I just made renders with it today , check my early posts .. no more spheres for HDRI , straight into the engine and working as a charm . I was waiting for it for a while now, so glad they listen to my opinion, it is game changer for me .

Cool, with the spheres, right?

It's been a while, but I remember BB holding forth on shadow catchers and how they weren't actually dealing with shadow colour correctly. I remember some insane (for me) collection of nodes being used to correct this. I don't remember if this was pre or post superfly era.

I can see how they'd be difficult to implement for PBR.

Is there a way to apply a displacement map to a shadow catcher? The grass could have a texture.

 

[MEC4D]

Cool, with the spheres, right?

It's been a while, but I remember BB holding forth on shadow catchers and how they weren't actually dealing with shadow colour correctly. I remember some insane (for me) collection of nodes being used to correct this. I don't remember if this was pre or post superfly era.

I can see how they'd be difficult to implement for PBR.

Is there a way to apply a displacement map to a shadow catcher? The grass could have a texture.

No more spheres, straight into background to render Engine .
I did not explored it yet totally as I would like also to have some reflections ( but for that I can use plane I guess) also bump, normal or displacement maps , to blend more the ground structures . Would be nice !

I remember the times when we corrected the shadow colors but we were dealing with IBL lighting and not HDRI , all my new brand HDRI maps have natural shadows without color overcast so this problem for me is in the past . Poser need at last 20 EV steps for HDRI to produce actual and proper lighting , global illumination , sun and shadows . It is definitely step forward ..

Anyway there is still possibility to load plane and add what you want on top for the final result .. I need to explore it more tomorrow ..

 

[RAMWolff]

This is from Poser 11 or 12 you referring too Cath? Are you just supporting Poser 12 or will MOST of the settings work in Poser 11?

 

[RAMWolff]

WOW, if you are going to release an HDRI set for Poser 12 these sorts of improvements will entice more folks to upgrade for sure. This looks AMAZING honey!

 

[RAMWolff]

I like version #2 the best, your right, more fleshy looking to me too!

 

[Miss B]

OK, I have to agree that #2 looks better to me, but if you take into account that some folks have pale (less color) to their natural skin tone, then #1 wouldn't be that bad. I just happen to prefer #2 in that respect.

That said, however, I agree with unreal's comment about the ears. I like that both have light coming through the back of the ear (BB always said that was a good point), but it seems to be coming through a bit too much on #2, which is giving me the impression the outside edge of the ear is slightly swollen, though I'm sure it's not. If the settings can be very slightly adjusted around the outer edge of the ear (not sure it can be done separately) then it would make #2 perfect for me.