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Discussion in 'The Meadow' started by Chris, Jul 31, 2017.

  1. JOdel

    JOdel Extraordinary HW Honey Bear

    Paksenarrion. Yes. That was a rather outstanding debut trilogy, wasn't it? And made it clear from the get-go that Elizabeth Moon has the ability to keep in control of a complex plot over an extended story arc without losing track of the details.

    On the whole, I rather prefer her science fiction. But when she finally went back and revisited the Paksenarrion world for a 2nd series a few years ago, I'd say she did even better. The original trilogy showed too much of the RPG influence -- that she admitted to. By the time she went back there wasn't't any obvious gaming influence pushing the plot around at all.
  2. quietrob

    quietrob Extraordinary

    I was 12 or 13, I needed an escape from the culture shock of living on a military base to a rough neighborhood. I had went through through the Nancy Drew Mysteries, the knocked off the entire Hardy Boys series and still I wanted more. The librarian, bless her dear heart was always there with an idea of what a young boy would like to read. She introduced me to a book called, "Have Space Suit, Will Travel", by Robert Heinlein and I never looked back. I went through his "juvenile" series like Time for the Stars, and such then just as my hormones were peaking, I was introduced to a story called "Stranger in a Strange Land, and the other stories of Adult Fiction by Heinlein". My mind was officially blown. I still reread "Time Enough for Love", by Heinlein every few years. It meant something different at each stage of my life. It is my all time favorite Novel followed by to Sail Beyond the Sunset.

    I enjoyed the Foundation series and I found there is a difference between Great ideas and Great story telling. No doubt about it. As you speak of the Masters of Science Fiction, Heinlein is the best story teller I ever came across. Roger Zelanzy, Jack Chalker also must receive honorable mention.

    I watched the original Star Trek as a little boy, got my heart broke when it was cancelled but time as revealed me wise for liking that show.

    @Hornet3d and @Terre That is interesting. In this country, the list of betrayers goes Judas Iscariot and Benedict Arnold and then everyone else. Yes, Yes, we yanks across the pond were traitors to the throne but we told you. "No Taxation without Representation." Ya shoulda listened! LOL!

    Oh and Lincoln did free the slaves. Typically, the President gets the credit and the blame for what happens on their watch. Because we're not a monarchy, no one can accomplish anything alone but certainly leadership is responsible for all the good and bad things that happen in this country on a general scale. Columbus? I think I read he didn't discover the USA but we still named a city after him.
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  3. Miss B

    Miss B Drawing Life 1 Pixel at a Time CV-BEE

    Azimov is my all time favorite sci-fi author, and I have all the Foundation series, as well as the Second Foundation Trilogy Series by Gregory Benford, Greg Bear and David Brin, written with permission from Mrs. Azimov, after Isaac Azimov passed. I also read the Robot novels, and of course the original I, Robot, long before they made it into a movie. I never got into the huge Robot collections.

    I'm also a huge fan of Anne McCaffrey's huge Pern series, which are probably 80% sci-fi, with about 20% fantasy. After all, there were dragons. ;)

    I never got into Heinlein at all.
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  4. Satira Capriccio

    Satira Capriccio Distinguished CV-BEE Contributing Artist

    Barely mangled.

    I read The Deed of Paksenarrion and absolutely loved it. But then ... anything with a strong female main character generally appeals to me.

    Though ... I can't say the same for female news anchors / news casters / etc. Watched one recently who was dressed as if she were going clubbing?!? Seriously? I don't get why so many women who do the news have such high pitched voices. Or maybe that's a criteria to be on the news?

  5. Miss B

    Miss B Drawing Life 1 Pixel at a Time CV-BEE

    I wasn't familiar with that series, so just took a look, and it sounds good. I also like strong female main characters, though lately I've been reading more crime fiction series, where the female character is a cop, lawyer or private investigator, so not sci-fi at all. I just may have to put Deed of Paksenarrion on my To Read list.
  6. Satira Capriccio

    Satira Capriccio Distinguished CV-BEE Contributing Artist

    I think the Pern series started out mostly as fantasy, which is what attracted me most. In the later books, they gained access to the original colonists technology, and it definitely became more sci fi than fantasy. Which is when I lost interest.
  7. Stezza

    Stezza Extraordinary

    My first SciFi book that I can remember when I was about 8 or 9 years old was a hard cover of VTTBOTS :geek:
  8. JOdel

    JOdel Extraordinary HW Honey Bear

    Moon's novels are usually swarming with strong female characters. Chiefly because they are usually told with a female PoV (there are exceptions when the PoV shifts among a group of characters) and her points of view are not wimps. And they are typically not "token women" plopped into a standard male adventure tale. There are a *lot* of secondary female characters as well. And they are not all alike. Particularly in the SF novels. Which, for the record are almost always military-based. Or become so.

    So are most of the fantasy novels, for that matter. 'Sheepfarmer's Daughter' opens with Paksenarrion deciding that bucolic drudgery was not for her, and ran off to join a mercenary company.
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  9. quietrob

    quietrob Extraordinary

    No one is perfect, though I'm quite certain you come close! ;)
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  10. Miss B

    Miss B Drawing Life 1 Pixel at a Time CV-BEE

    Everyone has their own preferences. :D
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  11. Bonnie2001

    Bonnie2001 Extraordinary

    Some people over here do that. We call them bicycle robbers. ;)
  12. phdubrov

    phdubrov Noteworthy Contributing Artist

    First SciFi/Fantasy stories that I can remember (7? or 8?) were Ghost V (Shackley) and Leaf by Niggle (Tolkien), than Bester (still the best SciFi stories for me), Asimov, short stories of Zelazny (don't like Amber), LOTR and Silmarillion, and so on and so on...
  13. Terre

    Terre Distinguished

    My first SF book? When I was 9 mu dad gave me Star Trek 6. I'd been watching the show and immediately recognized the stories in that compendium and started looking for the others. i don't remember what the first Fantasy novel was. One of the first I purchased myself was A Spell for Chameleon when it first came out in paperback. I still consider it the best Xanth book.
    ETA: I just remembered my first fantasy: The full boxed set of Narnia.
  14. Hornet3d

    Hornet3d Distinguished

    I think one of the reasons I dislike it the fact that is removes the possibility of people wondering why there is a statue built or a building named after them and individuals then researching why. I know this is not likely to happen very often but anything that makes it more difficult to forget is a plus in my book.

    I find your opinion very interesting as it is often people with a background like yours that the lobbyists say they are trying to protect stating that you may be offended by such statues. I remember some years ago taking a tour of the rocks area of Sydney in Australia part of the tour included the history of the docks and the guide described the practice of the British in delivering criminals banished from our shores. Many never made it as the owners of the ships were paid for the number of people transported and from that they had to be fed. There was nothing in the contract that took account on the number of souls still alive at the destination and so many starved saving the cost of food. Strange thing was the guide later apologised for his views thinking I would be upset. I assured him I was not upset, shamed maybe but I shared his anger in such acts. After the toru we had a very adult and frank discussion and we learnt so much about each others views. It just shows we should not assume what others feel about matters, far better to talk to them and understand how they feel before jumping to their defense, to not do so risks only adding more hurt on the victims. Sadly I fell that often in the politically correct world some shout a lot and talk very little.
  15. Hornet3d

    Hornet3d Distinguished

    Well that certainly lists my viewing for the later part of my teen years and beyond. There was Dr Who and Blake's Seven in there somewhere as well.
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  16. Terre

    Terre Distinguished

    Thanks for the bit of history, Hornet.
    As a student here in the US in the late '60s and '70s all I was told was that many criminals were sent to Australia, often for minor crimes. The conditions on some of the ships was never mentioned.
  17. Terre

    Terre Distinguished

    Fantasy on tv... Fantasy Island, Mr. Merlin, a movie called Fugitive from the Empire (which I later learned was supposed to have been the pilot for a series). I know there were one or two others that I didn't catch because I was more into tracking down anything that was SF. I still missed a lot as I read more than watched tv.
    Come to think of it my reading prior to being introduce to Stat Trek and Lost in Space when I was 9 was animal stories, history, ecology, and science. LOTS of science of any kind, hard or soft. Those 2 to shows introduced me to SF and Fantasy.
    And I don't mean young children's science either. When I was 7 & 8 my parents introduced me to the Life Nature Library series by buying several for me. The Universe, Early Man, The Mammals, The Birds, Evolution.
  18. Hornet3d

    Hornet3d Distinguished

    The irony is that many that survived the journey it was the making of them as they were able to build far better lives than they ever could back in their home land.
  19. James R.

    James R. Busy Bee

    Doctor Who arrived in my life in late 1980. The only channel that broadcast it in my area (TVOntario) was still showing Tom Baker episodes from a couple of years before, but what a great introduction to the Doctor!

    TVO was a wonderful channel back then, importing British sci-fi TV shows we wouldn't otherwise get on any other 'mainstream' station, including The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Day of the Triffids, etc. I'm grateful that those last two programs introduced me to Douglas Adams and John Wyndham.
  20. CWRW

    CWRW Extraordinary HW3D Exclusive Artist

    When I was six our school had a book fair. What grabbed my attention were those beautiful book covers of the Narnia series by Roger Hane. I saved up my pennies and bought the boxed edition of that for a whopping $7 based on those covers and still have it to this day. LOVE the Narnia books and they've been reread a zillion times over the years:) Another series that had a big influence on me as a kid and that I still absolutely adore, was the fabulous Earthsea Trilogy by Ursula LeGuin. I've read some of her more sci-fi and enjoyed those too though not as much. The later Earthsea books are wonderful too.

    Def dug the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy series- too fun! Read a bit of a lot of the other authors mentioned here back in high school. Did finally get through LOTR too in high school after a couple of "false starts":) Watched my fair share of Star Trek as a kid on our old b&w TV too:)

    Later on I really had fun reading the Dresden Files books. These days I devour anything by Carlos Ruis Zafon:)
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