Yes, that's another one that I want to get my hands on eventually. To be honest, rigging in general makes my brain explode, as I just don't understand it yet... so that's yet another one of those "on the long list of things to learn" for me... LOL 
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Nataani for Dusk
- Thread starter Seliah (Childe of Fyre)
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The upgrade was sure a good move! And just at the right moment too for Nataani's Poser mats. Glad the hair is finally staying on your head where it belongs
Yes, this version seems to have been a good move, as it's actually behaving the way the program ought to for a change. No complaints from me here, because with P10 I was almost ready to throw this whole thing into the trash can. LOL
I think I can do this with the new version, though. It seems workable. I'm actually starting to make some progress here, where I wasn't getting anywhere with P10 due to the constant crashes.
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Okay... so...
Firefly - full body view -
My apologies for the towel, but I don't seem to have Ken's briefs in Poser format, and I can't seem to get any clothing to actually fit Dusk without using full jeans that, frankly, defeat the purpose of the render. Note that the lights in use is just P11's default light rig.
I did figure out what was causing the issue at the base of Dusk's neck... and to be honest, I'm not sure how to fix it. What it is, is the mesh doesn't seem to like the HeadScale in use. I dialed out the Head Scale option, and the weird kink in the sides of Dusk's neck immediately went away. The problem here, is I Dusk's head is, frankly, too dang small at it's default scale when you add in Nataani's body morphs, and he really does need to have the head scale increased slightly.
I am also having issues with the INJ file that I have to sort out. In P10, the INJ file seems to work fine. However, in P11, when I apply the INJ file to Dusk, it fails to properly inject the head shape, and I end up with this weird half-Dusk, half-Nataani mix of a headshape, with the jaw hanging open slightly. Not cool at all. LOL
I also have to fix an issue with the eyes, and skin from the forehead poking through the eyelids. That's just going to be a matter of my adjusting the morphs around his eyes area... we really don't have a good way to properly control the epicanthic folds, so I think I ended up with that mesh issue due to having to over-dial some of the epicanthic fold morphs.
At the moment, I'm working on the materials, so I'm just using my saved .cr2 for Nataani. I'll have to re-make his INJ/REM regardless, I think, to deal with the head issue.
The body is applying just fine, and if I had to guess, it's the morphs in Chris' head morph resource kit that are failing to apply correctly in Poser 11. I'm not sure why it works okay in P10 and not in P11, but that's what I have going on right now. I'm going to load P10 once this Superfly render is done, and check the INJ again in there, but if memory serves correctly, P10 was not exhibiting the oddness with Dusk's neck, or having any problem applying the head morphs the way P11 seems to be.
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And this is a Superfly render - head and upper shoulders only.
This is the neck issue I'm not sure how to fix, as from what I can see, the only way to "fix" it is to dial the head scale morph back down to zero, and Nataani really needs the head scaled up a bit in order to look properly in proportion to the rest of his body.
The materials aren't bad, though. I need to refine the bump setting (normal maps) some more. But these same materials seem to render pretty well in both Superfly and Firefly...
Anyway - here's the close-up of the Superfly render :
You can see the issue with the eyelids also. I'll adjust his eye morphs and then see what I can do about fixing the neck issue (look to the left side and you can see the mesh distortion at the base of the neck, just above the traps).
The materials over-all are not bad though... I feel like this is actually "almost" there as far as materials go.
LOL! No kidding... The boy doesn't want to leave home, I think!
This is the neck issue I'm not sure how to fix, as from what I can see, the only way to "fix" it is to dial the head scale morph back down to zero, and Nataani really needs the head scaled up a bit in order to look properly in proportion to the rest of his body.
The materials aren't bad, though. I need to refine the bump setting (normal maps) some more. But these same materials seem to render pretty well in both Superfly and Firefly...
Anyway - here's the close-up of the Superfly render :
You can see the issue with the eyelids also. I'll adjust his eye morphs and then see what I can do about fixing the neck issue (look to the left side and you can see the mesh distortion at the base of the neck, just above the traps).
The materials over-all are not bad though... I feel like this is actually "almost" there as far as materials go.
LOL! No kidding...
The boy doesn't want to leave home, I think!
Okay... so there's definitely some weirdness here.
This is Firefly - I did change the texture map out to one of the facial hair maps - but I did not change any of the material settings other than that.
1.) The eyelids are definitely still needing to be adjusted in the morphs, but the issue in Firefly presents differently than in Superfly. In Superfly, the skin is poking right through the eyelids, whereas in Firefly it's just sort of swallowing up the eyelids entirely. LOL
2.) Dusk's head. In Firefly, this renders pretty smoothly, but in Superfly the top of the head renders up with sharp points on it. Not sure what's causing that or how to fix it yet.
The Firefly renders as a whole seem to be slightly "fuzzy" to me, but that is probably something to do with either my materials or more likely my render settings.
This is Firefly - I did change the texture map out to one of the facial hair maps - but I did not change any of the material settings other than that.
1.) The eyelids are definitely still needing to be adjusted in the morphs, but the issue in Firefly presents differently than in Superfly. In Superfly, the skin is poking right through the eyelids, whereas in Firefly it's just sort of swallowing up the eyelids entirely. LOL
2.) Dusk's head. In Firefly, this renders pretty smoothly, but in Superfly the top of the head renders up with sharp points on it. Not sure what's causing that or how to fix it yet.
The Firefly renders as a whole seem to be slightly "fuzzy" to me, but that is probably something to do with either my materials or more likely my render settings.
Hmm. Not sure yet. Let me find the setting, and I'll check and get back to you.
OK - found it - checked. It's set to "Poser Traditional."
Should I be setting it to the other one for Superfly renders?
Should I be setting it to the other one for Superfly renders?
Mmm.... nope. Doesn't help with the neck problem at all. It seems to soften the mesh just a little bit, but it's not near enough to fix the issue.
This is what it looks like when I set the skinning method to Poser Unimesh... both renders are in Firefly.
Side view of the neck issue :
It does soften the lines around the neck and throat a bit. But the mesh is still tweaked way out of place and so far, the only "fix" for it is to dial out the head scale morph, and leave him with this laughably small head.
Ah.... that does seem to help a bit. Very strange. I had saved the scene and closed it out, and then re-opened it. Originally, I couldn't find a way to adjust the Sub-D, as it was grayed out at zero. This time around, it let me adjust the Sub-D.
Firefly render - Sub-D is set to 2 for Preview, and 3 for Render... that's kind of a high Sub-D level... the problem still isn't going away, but it does help a little bit...
It was the "Properties" tab next to "Parameters," yes. It was weird. I saved the scene and re-opened it, though, and it was no longer greyed out.
It does seem to help. It's just not quite enough help on it's own. But it definitely does seem to help.
No complaints from me, Pen. I appreciate the help, and we do have it looking a lot better than it was looking originally. I could probably just tack a note into the read-me telling folks to make sure they set his Sub-D up to 1 or 2 to avoid this issue. It's not perfect, but this might be the best we can get with it. I am going to try dialing the head scale morph down just a little bit and see if that helps any further, as well...
I think she has it set for uni mesh now. So the sub d should work...