Vwd must be okay as there are things released for it at renderosity and it calls on the plugin for poser that the author also created.
Vwd is a plug in for ds by Virtual World that is sold at rendo.
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I wish we had..for Dawn
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Vwd is a plug in for ds by Virtual World that is sold at rendo.
Ah, it's already on my wish list, but haven't gotten it yet.
Zaarin
Brilliant
IMO, anything that's not skintight is best suited to dynamic clothing...
eclark1894
Visionary
As far as Poser goes, the answer is no. You can add it in separately, or as part of the main mesh. You just have to tell the Cloth room what dynamic group to place it in. Also, each dynamic group has it's own dynamic cloth settings to enter. So, it could take some time to set up, and you may take several times to get it to look just the way you want, but Poser should have no problem with doing what you want with dynamic cloth. Right now, Poser's biggest drawback regarding dynamic clothing is time. It takes Poser a lot of time to do those calculations.
Glitterati3D
Dances with Bees
As a general rule, for general Poser users, yes, you're correct.
I find that most dynamic users find setting those "parts" to sim correctly "too much work" and they just skip the purchase entirely.
Sad, but true.
I agree entirely, and very very slowly, I hope to make some of that sort of stuff. I actually started a 'pirate' outfit a while ago the is meant to include the kind of men's vest and jacket that I think you are thinking of. But it's a long way off from being finished, and I have a lot of things that have moved ahead of it (partly because it is such a big project).
Hmm, I wonder if I'm thinking of the same thing as you, at least in terms of the women's clothing. I'm thinking something like this:
Those sorts of skirts actually had very little movement because of the way they hung over a frame. And even though they often had an overskirt drapped over the main skirt, the fabric was usually so heavy that it didn't move much. Now all the lace on the sleeves would be good for dynamics. But maybe I'm thinking of the wrong period.
Well, if the dynamic clothing has been set up correctly by the creator, I don't think you should have to create all those groups. Actually I haven't made anything with lots of buttons/ribbons etc, but I know that at least constrained groups save to dynamic clothing. I always make sure that those groups are setup and saved into the dynamic clothing item.
Not to say there isn't some tedious stuff to do in the cloth room. I actually built a script for my last dynamic item, that automatically set up the collision groups for you, although there were still setting you had to set by hand.
Glitterati3D
Dances with Bees
I understand and agree completely, but I find that most casual users just don't agree.
As for the Roccoco stuff, you're correct that the dresses from that period did not allow for much movement. They simply weren't designed for more than standing and dancing. But, our end users expect them to sit properly, morph properly and move properly and complain bitterly when they aren't designed to do so even when it's impossible based on the design of the product.
I have to say that I am just not doing much 3D lately as I'm so thoroughly depressed with the recent threads berating the work of vendors (not at Hivewire, and not any of my products) to the point of petty, nitpicking by customers. Very publicly.
I'm beginning to feel like it's impossible to give customers what they want and you'll be berated for even attempting to do so.
the above image is indeed an example of waht i meant. Although there are some pictures of women sittng down in skirts ad manteaus of that kind^^ This is quite famous, I believe:
Madame de Pompadour – Wikipedia
Madame de Pompadour – Wikipedia
Glitterati3D
Dances with Bees
YEAH, the underwire was removed to allow for the seated pose.
eclark1894
Visionary
Kind of why I stopped working on that Cinderella dress for Dawn. I KNEW it should have been dynamic, but I just kept wanting to make it conforming.
Ooooh yes. A conforming figure might work for the dresses with a close-fitting bodice and a hooped or pannier skirt (without conforming the skirt to the legs- give it its own bones)? Dynamic would be the most realistic way for lots of lots of clothing, though. Anything with a lot of fabric volume. If you've ever done any costuming, you'll know how much thought goes into selecting the fabric type and the warp direction in the pattern pieces to get the right drape and flow in the completed clothing. You can never truly replicate that with a rigid conforming figure, not even with JCMs, although the best figures do a fairly good job.
If I ever find the time in my growing list of Things To Do, I'll try turning the mantua gown I made (in real life, out of fabric, I mean) into an obj. (although I'm slightly more eager to dress Dusk in a frock coat).
There is no hooped skirt or crinoline under a roccoco dress (as phdubrov says) only paniers, and they werent always extremely wide, infact, roccoco clothing supposed to be more comfortable than the stiff things from spanish rennaissance or formal baroque court dress^^ btw. that thing on the images does not consist of a bodice and 2 skirts but there a corset as underwear (and the paniers and quite some underskirts but of course in a render you wouldn't see those), a skirt and above those comes the contouche (a kind of mantle) wich goes from shoulders to bottom with sleeves and all and is more or less tight in the back, often only draped in folds, often open ant the front to allow a view of the skirt, and (my english deserts me there) a often heavy adorned triangular piece comes above the front of corset to hide that piece of underwear (you can see both quite good here: Führung: Damenmode des 18. Jahrhunderts)
so I'm not a modeller, but I'd think the contouche almost had to be dynamic for a flowing look^^ which was a wanted look - the roccoco wanted to be more playful and flowing unless of course we're talking of formal court dress^^
so I'm not a modeller, but I'd think the contouche almost had to be dynamic for a flowing look^^ which was a wanted look - the roccoco wanted to be more playful and flowing unless of course we're talking of formal court dress^^
Hmm, good points by a lot of people about this type of dress. I think to get it to work right you would have to make it hybrid, not so much because of the bodice (which you could also do as a separate piece) but because you would need some sort of frame under the skirt for it to collide with otherwise over a long sim, it's shape would fall apart completely. It's something to think about.
I have a dynamic dress by tipol I think where a simple cone prop goes under the skirt for it to colide with to give the skirt a wide shape. As this is totally invisible - in fact you can delete it after simulation - I think something like that would work in this case, too?
Glitterati3D
Dances with Bees
Yeah, there's a couple of products like this on the market. There's a K4 one - Wynter - I think it's called that uses a frame under the dress.
In order to get the ruffling and draping to fall right, I really think you need a dynamic. All of the layers that really make up this look will only work well as dynamic.
Yeah, we could do it conforming, but it just wouldn't move like it's supposed to.