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theschell
Brilliant
I wish you the best of luck at Rendo, for me it just hasn't been worth it, but hopefully you'll have more success... I'm selling the few products I have left on ShareCG now days, after I closed my site down I'd sold most of my content off to VP when I went out of business ... I don't make many sales, but I'm doing better there than I was at Rendo...
theschell
Brilliant
Yeah... I wouldn't be either really... at least they are being nice enough to allow an honest discussion about things... they were pretty good about that even before the store closed...
Maybe the key to compete in a large market like Rendo is to just do something other people are NOT doing. That's what pushed me to go for Python scripts for Poser 12, where nothing made for older versions will work. It's an emerging market full of opportunities, and I want to invest in that niche. I have tested the waters in Poser 11 with my Scatter Tool, and it has surprisingly outsold everything else I had in store. I would never imagine that. My Scatter Tool for P12 is going to beta-testing soon, bringing some new functionality. I have 4 other automation tools on the works that will certainly find their public. It's things Poser makes hard to accomplish, that I made super easy - sometimes with just a button click.
If I can't compete with conforming clothing, body sculpts, or character sets, then Python scripts it is. I guess that's what it means to vary our portfolio?
Judging by that German mecha tank, you are pretty good with it. Reminds me of the kind of work Vanishing Point would do. I am better with organic modelling than I am with hard surfaces. However, rigging hard surface models is way easier in comparison. I am currently moving away from 3D modeling for the sake of making myself more competitive in a market where there is much larger fish in the same bowl. Not that I won't do 3D anymore, but I just need an edge right now, and Python will give me that. I may be shooting myself on the foot if people resist upgrading to P12 right now, but I know they will eventually, so even if it doesn't work now, it eventually will. I had people claiming they save my demo videos and upgraded to P12 because of me. That's a sign my plan may actually work.
theschell
Brilliant
I was a top seller on VP regularly before I retired... my stuff still sells fairly well there, though not as much as it used to (no new products since I stopped doing full-time content creation)...
theschell
Brilliant
Yep... VP has a good site and he's been among my strongest supporters right from the beginning...
eclark1894
Visionary
I didn't know you had closed your site down. Of course, I was feeling pretty bad, heathwise, last year. Gotta delete you from the Online Stores category.
theschell
Brilliant
My stuff was Ds and Poser both, most of his products were Poser (but functional in DS as well)... I created everything in Hexagon and Daz Studio and then tested and tweaked in Poser for cross-compatibility... VP was supposed to start selling through Daz but they pulled BS on him and then reneged on the agreement. He'd posted about that briefly on here back when it happened. They pulled it with him about the same time they backed out on the deal with Hivewire here and under about the same circumstances. I was privy to a lot of it because I was still one of his top sellers at the time. I refused to go over to Daz when they tried to get him to turn over his site to them, they were trying to do with him what they'd done to everyone at RDNA and it made quite a few of us unhappy with the idea...
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theschell
Brilliant
Yeah... sadly... I had posted an announcement about it here in the forums as well as on my FB pages back when I shut down... I sold the rights to most of my products off to VanishingPoint... but I still have a few for sale on my ShareCG market. I can give you a link to my store/gallery there if you like...
I have always kept a healthy distance from DAZ for safety reasons, so I don't know what happened with the RDNA vendors. I was once emailed by some of them about a year after the DAZ deal, claiming they were having their stores closed in mass. Some claimed DAZ wanted to make believe they were taking all RDNA vendors, but then silently got rid of most of them a year later, when nobody was looking anymore. They claimed DAZ only wanted to keep the bestseller vendors, and ditch the rest. That's what they told me, but I can't confirm any of it in first hand.
theschell
Brilliant
Yeah that was about the way it happened... I personally knew a few vendors that lost products and had other problems as a result of the RDNA buy-out, Daz was pretty underhanded about the way they did things... They tried to do something similar to VP as well...
That's more or less corporate standard practices. Either buy or close down the competition. Nothing personal, business as usual. RDNA was going to close whether or not DAZ bought it out, so there was no happy ending for the vendors either ways. DAZ was already claiming HW wouldn't last even the first year, so they missed the date by seven, and they did everything in their power to make it happen. I guess the little guy defeating the giant only happens in the Bible.
DAZ didn't take all RDNA vendors in the first place - first hand factual knowledge. There was a lot of misinformation and downright lying from DAZ and management at RuntimeDNA when that happened. Most of us Vendors learned of the buyout with the public announcement in the forums and on the front page where everyone else learned of it - no fore warning - no mention it was even in discussion. I could go on and into detail, but I wont - though it is one of the many, many reasons I have nothing but ill will for DAZ. There were some vendors that initially went with the merger then found themselves essentially shut out who have my sympathies - several I had worked with to create supporting products with. I am glad we had much more fore warning here...though I am very saddened to see HiveWire3D close.
When I first heard that part of the RDNA vendors went to Rosity instead, I was surprised. I also didn't know RDNA itself kept its own vendors in the dark about what was about to happen. There is so much I don't know because, for once, I wasn't there. At least Theschell has now confirmed in first hand what I was already told by other vendors about what happened after the buyout. DAZ has claimed to have absorbed the RDNA vendors, just to silently mass dismiss them a year later, when nobody was looking anymore. If not for the email exchanges, the ex-RDNA vendors wouldn't even know it was a mass dismissal - they thought it was just them individually. That's how much DAZ wanted to keep this under wraps. They cherry picked the best vendors and ditched the rest - very different from the official story most people heard about. It's amusing how much misinformation shows up when it comes down to DAZ.
@theshell
Fur us personally I can not confirm. DAZ take us over and it goes smooth. After 6 months they offer us a buy out for all of our products. They give us a fair price , but we still remain Vendors over there. I don't know what happens to other vendors, but with us they was very fair .
Unfortunately we step back the past few years from Content creating, so not very active, but this is not Daz fault.
@Ken1171
Take this "first hand records" with a grain of salt. I know personale many vendors who quit by them selfs, because don't want to create for DS.
True is, some vendors could not pass, because they don't meet the quality standards or their marketplace requirements.
I mean you can like DAZ or not, but not everything is to blame on them.
Sad thing is that RDNA did not communicate with its vendors. But this is the past, why not focus on the future?