Hornet3d
Wise
Great Info, as a user I am only aware of how easy or difficult it is to create realistic expressions but it is always good to know the reason why it differs from one figure to another.
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Great Info, as a user I am only aware of how easy or difficult it is to create realistic expressions but it is always good to know the reason why it differs from one figure to another.
When it comes to closing the eyes in head morphs that prevent it, bone rigging is quite different from morphs. Although morphs CAN be applied beyond limits, they begin undesired deformations beyond what they were intended for. Whilst with bone controls, the eye closing is not tied to morph deltas, and therefore can still function independently from it. They are different in both nature and functionality. Bone rigging will always be more versatile than morphs, which is why an increasing number of figures (including Dawn2) is adopting a facial rig.
Yup, I had little luck with LF in more than one area. I tried, but it's just not the right figure for me.
eclark1894
Visionary
Okay, so basically, I close the eye like I'm bending an arm, with a dial? You know, that would make a great animation for people who want to make their figures blink in one move. Be even better if you could do the whole blink on the dial. O- full open, 50 closed, 100 full open again.
unreal
Noteworthy
You can do that with V4's facial expressions.
When I did animation (with a3, v4, cookie, star), blinking was actually a script. There's a natural blink rate so I'd just have the script calculate random blinks at the same rate (ie: time +/- some random small amount). and mix those in. A blink takes place so quickly is actually just open-closed.
Even a static face with blinks happening at natural intervals looks good. Take an animated gif, close and open eyes, have a frame with the eyes open, then at some time closed then back to open. And do that a few times at different intervals, then loop it. It's still very small as most of the image doesn't change. Only the eye area. And yet, based on the timing, it's looks disconcertingly real. The trick is to make the intervals close. So when it loops, it just seems another interval. But it's not pop..pop..pop but rather pop...pop.pop..pop
I do rather short animations, and I prefer placing eye blinks at specific places instead of random. But when it comes to blinking with either morphs or bones, the process is the same - it's just keyframing the dial. The advantage of bones over morphs emerges when creating character head shapes that need eye blink adjustments. This is where Dawn 2 should do better than the original.
parkdalegardener
Adventurous
Ockham has scripts that do stuff like this. Eye blinks, breathing, and other repetitive motions. Sadly they have not been updated to work with new Python installations. I used to use the scripts and adjust the effect by hand to suit my taste.
unreal
Noteworthy
Yes, absolutely. Excellent point
Even then, sometimes you need to adjust the facial rigging bones. I haven't found an easy way to do that in Poser. But at least you can.
With morphs, there's just the morph. Combining morphs can be problematic. There's shape + expression and there's also expression + other expression. Like a proper smile really involves the entire face. Some morph packs have those elements separated. But that's a lot of work.
Expression (ie: poses using bones) can be combined in better ways since the rig actors can have limits. For example: a smile plus an eye close will not move the eyelid more than closed, while a smile morph that has the eyes closed will not combine well with a right eye closed morph since there's nothing common. So no limit on those eyelid verts.
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unreal
Noteworthy
I remember those. They're not very difficult to recreate. It'd be nice to have the source, though.
I think as I write scripts in the future I'm going to keep them in github.
LF and LH have two kinds of eye blinks, they a basic set for just the eyes and then they have another set for more realistic eye close, side to side and up and down that also bring the eyelids into play so there is a bit more realism when creating expressions.
I think Dusk and Dawn SE has similar options and I'm sure Dusk and Dawn 2.0 will have even better options.
I think Dusk and Dawn SE has similar options and I'm sure Dusk and Dawn 2.0 will have even better options.
As Ken stated already , bone rigging don't include a delta so wink gonna works with all characters without the needs to recreate new morphs for each new face morphs (character) , for the end users there is no difference , you still dial it the same way as a standard wink morph , but technically it would be just a "pose" and it works great when making animation .
unreal
Noteworthy
The convenience of master parameters
For LF and LH eye combined movement, It combines one for upper lid, one for lower lid, then the rotation of the eye itself.
I like making expressions that way. I do a master for one side, then mirror that master to the other side, then combine the two in another master. makes asymmetric expressions easier.
One thing I noticed when sculpting the head is the need to change the face rig bone centers sometimes. And, for LF, the need to move the control "chips" so they appear on the distorted face in the correct location. I haven't found an simple way to do either. I do try to use scales as much as possible to get things in approximate positions since scaling does affect the face rig.
Dawn2 have better options .
The eyes are more advanced than anything you find even in DS at this moment . Geometrically and Physically accurate for a beautiful eyes with a soul , a huge step forward .
All you need to do is adjust rigging to new shape no matter how much you deform the new morph it gonna works just perfect . Unlimited possibilities in no time .
Indeed, I have done that multiple times in my "Body Type" series for DawnSE, where each shape was significantly different from the original, and if it has worked with the original Dawn in both Poser and DS, it should work even better with the zillion figure design improvements Dawn2 brings to the table.
Does that mean you won't have to update your Body Types? I ask because I have a few of them.
I was replying to Mec4D's comment about adjusting the rigging to the new shape. Works well on the original Dawn, and should work even better on the new one.
Don't we all??