Runtime DNA merges with DAZ 3D

[paganeagle2001]

It's how it always works......

Bigger company merges other company and it's items. The smaller company's names goes in a very short time and the bigger one trundles on.

In the meantime, the people who used to work for the other company, now have no income, where do they go? Meanwhile, those that owned the company, sit back with a nice load of money.

They also have your information and no doubt that may or may not be passed on to the larger company, even if they have said this would not happen.

In the end, who remembers the company that was taken over?

All the best.

Richard

 

[Alisa]

Welcome, James

I'm a Poser user, and I have been for a decade. I'm loyal to Poser -- but I'm a fan, not a fanatic.

That's good - being a fan is fun and exciting and inclusive...being a fanatic tends to be exclusive..

I guess my own business decision will have to involve learning to use Studio alongside Poser so that I can have the greatest range of options available to me as an artist. This is what is most important to me. Limiting myself and my choices out of some kind of unquestioning loyalty can only harm me. I can't recall who said it in a previous post here, but yes, Poser and Studio are tools. Both have their adherents (and zealots) like Mac vs. PC (don't even start, lol), but hey, I use both of those, too.

Why should an artist limit him or herself to only using a pencil when learning to use a brush opens new possibilities?

Definitely!! I also started with Poser (version 1!) and didn't start using DS til version 4. Both programs have their pros and cons. I like a lot of aspects of both, and using both gives you the ability to use products designed for only one or the other.

We have a lot of wonderful DS Users and content creators here and there's a DS forum where you can get help and tips!

 

[James R.]

Welcome, James



That's good - being a fan is fun and exciting and inclusive...being a fanatic tends to be exclusive..



Definitely!! I also started with Poser (version 1!) and didn't start using DS til version 4. Both programs have their pros and cons. I like a lot of aspects of both, and using both gives you the ability to use products designed for only one or the other.

We have a lot of wonderful DS Users and content creators here and there's a DS forum where you can get help and tips!

Thanks for the welcome.

 

[Darryl]

Randome thoughts:

Daz is not evil. They're a corporation. They don't have the ability to be good or evil.

The momentum away from Poser has been going on for some time. It's like a snowball rolling down a hill, turns into a boulder by the time it reaches the bottom. I don't want to be standing at the bottom expecting to catch a snowball.

The momentum around Blender is going in the opposite direction. Developers are adding Poser like tools such as asset management, figure creation, and pre-made content. No buyouts, it's Open Source.

Smith Micro has been unwilling or unable to counter Daz moves in the market. I don't expect that to change.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Adobe acquire Poser in the future. They're all about 3D at the moment.

In what other artistic medium do artists rely on a single company in order to make their art? Graphic designers depend on Adobe, they're rewarded with a subscription model. Studio is a no go for me.

A workflow using multiple softwares, vendors and homemade content is the only "safe" choice. The more I can make myself the less dependent I am on "market realities".

I still rely on pre-made content but there are huge holes in the types of content being made at the various marketplaces. These holes correspond with my personal artistic visions. Homemade and highly modified content has been a priority for some time. I need to step it up.

I have a pretty long wishlist at RDNA. If I actually needed those items it wouldn't be so long. I can't see cleaning out my bank account and padding Daz's for many of those items.

Marketing speak from RDNA, Daz, your favorite politician, or even the good folks here at HW tends to fall between spin and outright misinformation. There needs to be an app to translate it to plain English. In lieu of that, trust your eyes, experience and intuition.

The only constant is change. You can't control what others do only how you respond to it.

It's always better to be proactive than reactive. Like a Boyscout: Be Prepared.

 

[JOdel]

Admittedly, I've not made it to the end of the thread yet, so someone may have already brought this up, but the more I think about this, the odder it seems. Mainly because RDNA has traditionally been *so* Poser-specific. Yeah, sure, they started releasing products specifically for Studio over the past couple of years. And quite a few of such in the past year, but that's still a very small percentage of what is in that store.

I'm beginning to wonder whether DAZ is feeling like they've burned a couple of bridges with their focus on Studio-only products and Poser take the hindmost. The upshot is that they've been losing their Poser-based customer market, and they may have felt that it would be easier to colonize a quality Poser-based site than to revamp their own market strategy on DAZ yet again.

 

[Kendall R. Sears]

Wow - DalekSupreme, KittyBrown, phdubrov, Kendall, any other New Bees I missed - WELCOME!

This is a very big deal to all of us who've been in the 3D World for awhile. Some are going to be sad, some happy. It's fine to express that..though we don't, of course, want to get into any bashing. Syyd, Colm & Eric are the only ones who can say why they made this choice, so let's try to not speculate on that, ok? And as always, this is a Poser and DAZ Studio friendly place.

Kendall, I think that what folks are expressing here is a concern, based on losing a marketplace that's been around for a long time. Right now, there's a huge concern about the future of the Poser products currently at RDNA and the vendors who produced them. DAZ has been steering away from Poser products in recent years. Perhaps that is going to change, but it is certainly understandable, given the way DAZ has been going, that Poser users are worried. You are absolutely right that all of these programs are but tools to be used to your best advantage - very well stated!

Not so much a new-bee as I didn't recreate my forum account after "the mess" since I don't post much.

"Losing a marketplace" -- if RDNA was at the point where they were considering "merger" then the marketplace was already lost. There should be *relief* that the products and content creators have someplace to go at all. Instead, I see Poser users (not necessarily here), tied in knots over the fact that DAZ is involved. The vendors themselves aren't going away. I can't pretend to know what criteria the principals at RDNA used to guide their steps.

SmithMicro is the reason that Poser is in the situation it is.

Being a registered vendor here as well as at DAZ, I am not going to comment on what is, or is not, happening at either place. In general, though, it is the customer response that dictates what is created -- at any venue.

Kendall

 

[knyghtmare]

First post. Immigrant from RDNA. I had been a member of of the forums at RDNA fro years, but lurked, just resently getting involved in the community there... sucks to be me, huh? I certainly hope the awesome poser scripts find a new home real quick like

 

[Ken Gilliland]

It's sad news to hear about rDNA. Consolidating and losing stores (especially ones with a strongly independent voice) doesn't help our 3D community.

Welcome to all the new faces--I hope you'll find Hivewire3D a comfortable home for your creativity.

 

[paganeagle2001]

Okay, I'll get in first with the kitten pics!!

All the best.

Richard

 

[Aelin]

What say, except it's a good site will disappear?

 

[paganeagle2001]

The thing as well is, if people boycott the vendors there because of what the management have done, they are only hurting the vendors.

Those in charge will have gotten what they could out of it, it's the content makers that will have a hard time if they don't find a place to be a vendor at. Then all the wonderful talent will be lost.

And by the way, I'm not just talking about Poser vendors, there could be Studio vendors or other program vendors that don't want to go move to DAZ. It's all going to be an individual thing. Families need food, heating etc.

All the best.

Richard

 

[RAMWolff]

You have to keep in mind folks that Syyd is happy about this. Perhaps running the site and trying to keep their own product production top notch was just getting to be too much. You have to look at it from a business stand point and don't take this too personally. I'm not bashing any one company here, it's not fair because we really don't know what's truly gone on with the negotiations. I highly doubt DAZ said to RDNA "we are going to gobble you up and kill all the Poser support, muhwhahahahaha" more like perhaps Syyd put the word out that they were interested in a merger. I'm quite sure there will be artists that stay but continue to support Poser fully, along with all the interesting characters they have over there as well as V4 and M4. RDNA from what I've read will remain RDNA for quite a while to come. Folks that have accounts with both stores will see their DIM populated with the products at RDNA and updates for those products will be offered via Connect or DIM and I'm sure the old tried and true download and install the zips and organize it all yourself, which I know many like that to do. So please just don't take any of this personally, it's business and you just have to go with the flow.

 

[Glitterati3D]

The thing as well is, if people boycott the vendors there because of what the management have done, they are only hurting the vendors.

Those in charge will have gotten what they could out of it, it's the content makers that will have a hard time if they don't find a place to be a vendor at. Then all the wonderful talent will be lost.

And by the way, I'm not just talking about Poser vendors, there could be Studio vendors or other program vendors that don't want to go move to DAZ. It's all going to be an individual thing. Families need food, heating etc.

All the best.

Richard

And, some of us just don't buy from DAZ. Period.

I'm sorry, but if vendors need the income they will have to find a way to get products TO their customers. There are options. They should take advantage of them.

 

[Alisa]

Welcome, knyghtmare!

Marketing speak from RDNA, Daz, your favorite politician, or even the good folks here at HW tends to fall between spin and outright misinformation. There needs to be an app to translate it to plain English. In lieu of that, trust your eyes, experience and intuition.

I sure hope that our marketing isn't between spin and outright misinformation... Of course, marketing of ANYTHING focuses on the upside. Can you imagine any company saying "we just brought out a new product. Frankly it's awful, and I wouldn't buy it."

The only constant is change. You can't control what others do only how you respond to it.

It's always better to be proactive than reactive. Like a Boyscout: Be Prepared.

True dat!

Not so much a new-bee as I didn't recreate my forum account after "the mess" since I don't post much.

Well welcome back

"Losing a marketplace" -- if RDNA was at the point where they were considering "merger" then the marketplace was already lost. There should be *relief* that the products and content creators have someplace to go at all. Instead, I see Poser users (not necessarily here), tied in knots over the fact that DAZ is involved. The vendors themselves aren't going away.

Hopefully they aren't, but we have no real idea at this point whether all RDNA products will move to (or stay at, even if they move there) DAZ or not, and there are people who don't want to shop there. Those people are understandable upset.

I think we just need to let people feel however they feel about this, whether it is happiness, relief, worry, sadness, or concern, and not make them feel that they have no right to feel as they do. I'm not saying you are saying that - just realize that just because some may feel relief, it's not reasonable to expect that everyone feels that way or should feel that way.

 

[NapalmArsenal]

What say, except it's a good site will disappear?

Very true @Aelin!! Good to see you over here!! ......... man you changed out your Avatar again lol....... hard to keep up with you!!

 

[paganeagle2001]

To right Glitterati3D, I haven't bought anything over at DAZ in a long time.

But, as I said, there are other sites.

All the best.

Richard

 

[NapalmArsenal]

Well, that does rather make me wonder. As there is quite a bit of RDNA content that is Dawn and Dusk related? Is Daz willing to support that kind of content, or does it get moved here?

 

[paganeagle2001]

They would see it as competing products and wouldn't do it.

All the best.

Richard

 

[pommerlis]

This has to have been hard for Syyd and Eric and Colm. RuntimeDNA was their life. It was their baby. But they've made their choice and they will have to live with what occurs over the next year with DAZ. I wish them well, I really do.

I think so to.
I was deleting my Gallery this afternoon and found images dating back to 2006. They were the first community I even dared uploading an image to. I was just starting this 3D hobby of mine. And I got positive feedback, even though now after all this time I looked at the image thinking 'What was I doing?'
But the feedback was positive and encouraging, it made me continue and I even got Image of the week and later on won a price. I was beside myself, I was actually good in something!
I don't know what made them decide this and I do not wish to guess or speculate on it. I only know I'm going to miss them....for sure

 

[Glitterati3D]

Well, that does rather make me wonder. As there is quite a bit of RDNA content that is Dawn and Dusk related? Is Daz willing to support that kind of content, or does it get moved here?

If the vendors are smart (and they are) the products will get moved here. Why would they choose to bury their HW Family products under all that Genesis stuff and get swamped into oblivion?