Runtime DNA merges with DAZ 3D

[Rokket]

I have a feeling that there may be one more site where the vendors will be looking for a new home. Rendo has been gradually featuring more and more Genesis products and less and less of the Poser natives. Many long time members of the forums have been jumping ship (me included) due to their tendency to keep fixing the forum software until it's broken. It's funny that you can see that there are 2,500 'artists' online at any given time, yet no one is posting in the forums. That site may fall to their own self inflicted demise, but the bottom line is that there will be several vendors looking for a place to sell their wares. It will probably bring a wave of Genesis 3 content here, right when I am planning on getting DS so I can create Dawn content for it.

 

[Lorraine]

Cybertenko is my main goto vendor at Rendo, I love his stuff.

 

[mininessie]

i am sad for this....i have a lot of things from rdna...i agree about the deep freeze and the real deals...as most of the buyers i do not have a lot of money to spend in 3d stuff....but i can afford it when it is at low cost!
my worst fear is about the Daz encrypted new method...i tried Daz 4.9 and i don´t see any better from 4.8....and i hate to feel forced to use something i don´t like....hope the things from rdna don´t become encryted as well...but i have my doubts.
I would be happy if the rdna vendors came here to work!

 

[Hornet3d]

I have a feeling that there may be one more site where the vendors will be looking for a new home. Rendo has been gradually featuring more and more Genesis products and less and less of the Poser natives. Many long time members of the forums have been jumping ship (me included) due to their tendency to keep fixing the forum software until it's broken. It's funny that you can see that there are 2,500 'artists' online at any given time, yet no one is posting in the forums. That site may fall to their own self inflicted demise, but the bottom line is that there will be several vendors looking for a place to sell their wares. It will probably bring a wave of Genesis 3 content here, right when I am planning on getting DS so I can create Dawn content for it.

I would not be surprised to see Rendo go the same way. Thanks to the changes to the site, and Prime, it must be worth a lot less now than it was a few years ago. I stopped shopping there last September and removed my gallery after their turned the galleries into another marketing outlet. More recently they have upset a lot of people who are now pulling their freebies from the site. I really do hope SM do not take the official forums there.

While I do think this may have a positive outcome (hello to all the new people here at Hivewire) I am really sad to see RDNA go for all of the reasons already stated. I have now removed my gallery from there, not because I hate Daz but because I want to control what and where my renders are displayed.

While Daz may be prepared to have renders of Dawn uploaded there is no way they are going to let Dawn content to be sold, be it for Poser or Daz. I hope those that have an interest in Dawn will move here but I hope even more they will continue producing items no matter where they sell, rather that than just quit the market.

Hivewire3D and RDNA where the few places where both DS and Poser users could be involved with each other without flames wars. Though I an very happy Hivewire is still here I will miss RDNA.

 

[Glitterati3D]

Well, I am going to post this after waiting 24 hours to decide whether or not to.........

This is on US - Poser users. I know that the months after Christmas are tough for budgets (everyone is getting their Christmas credit card bills!) but this happens because spending stops.

If we want Hivewire to survive, we have to be willing to BUY products. If we don't, then every brokerage will face the same questions RDNA did - can they survive the lean months?

So, fellow Poser users, I hate to say it, but it's time to Put Up or Shut Up. Support your favorite stores, or they, too, will be forced to make decisions that won't make you happy.

 

[Kendall R. Sears]

I tend to stay out of things like this, but I feel I have to comment...

The negativity, and in some cases, outright animosity I'm seeing from Poser users is bothersome. The tribalism needs to stop.

Poser, DS, Carrara, Maya, C4D, Shade3d (and others) are *tools* people, nothing more. Use them to your best advantage. Buy content, use it, and be happy.

There are great people at all of the sites/stores. At all of the places there are very real people trying to do their best to put food on the table. The folks at RDNA had to make a hard choice and they chose. Be happy for them, don't use their situation to further a political agenda. Any time people have to consider putting years of their hard work, blood, sweat, tears, and stacks of IRS forms at stake, it is a gut wrenching exercise.

Kendall

 

[paganeagle2001]

Totally agree with Glitterati3D, I don't buy anything at all from certain sites due to the lack of Poser content. I don't even post in various forums on their sites as it just goes into fame wars.

Poser users need to start moving to making content, it's not hard, I have shown how to do it in various threads.

If anyone thinks the name RDNA will exist is a short period of time is kidding themselves. DAZ take over, they are the bigger partner, they first take the best, get rid of everything else and that includes the name of RDNA.

RDNA took the money, they now live with the consequences of that decision.

All the best.

Richard

 

[jan19]

Hopefully we will see new vendors appearing, I have seen people coming back to HW3D, waves to Jan19, and I am looking forward to new views and ideas.

Hey, LROG. Thanks, good to see you, too! And hello to anyone else I missed. Great to see you all.

 

[paganeagle2001]

Sorry Kendell, people here actually discuss topics. We are allowed to have a voice and say we are upset by what has happened. This would not be tolerated at certain sites, in fact they would have deleted a lot of post as they don't like "negativity" to be on their forums.

The forums here are a lot more friendly because we self regulate what we say.

If people just want the utopian happy, happy forums, then there are at least 2 sites out there that do this.

If people are upset about things they will discuss it, without going into problems with TOS.

HW3D had always been all encompassing, right from the beginning they wanted all formats supported.

All the best.

Richard

 

[paganeagle2001]

Nice to see you as well Jan. I hope to be seeing a lot more from you as well.

All the best.

Richard

 

[Satira Capriccio]

Nice to see new faces! And to see old faces back.

Love, love, love your avatar, The Wise Donkey!

Guess our definition of outright animosity is different, Kendall. People are expressing frustrations with losing a fabulous store which supported both DS and Poser users and filled a needed niche.

Yeah. There is doom and gloom. How can there not be? One time DAZ supported both Poser and DS customers. It was the place to go for many of us to feed our need for Poser content. Now, they don't.

Is it possible DAZ absorbed RDNA to get back into the Poser game? Maybe. But, there are plenty of DAZ vendors who once created a lot of Poser content still with DAZ, and I've not seen any indication DAZ has any intent to once again support Poser users to the extent they once did.

I'm sad Syyd and co felt the merger with DAZ was their best option. I won't be at all surprised if they all "retire" in a year or so.

 

[Glitterati3D]

Poser users need to start moving to making content, it's not hard...

I'm sorry, Richard, but this really does upset me. Making STORE QUALITY content is hard. When you say something like this you diminish the talent, artistry and attention to detail a vendor has to devote to a store quality product.

There is nothing EASY about creating content ready for a store. It's hard, sometimes frustrating work. Please don't diminish the skills required to get there.

There's a huge difference between creating a quick item for your personal use that you can postwork out errors and creating an item that goes into a store.

 

[Szark]

I can sit back and look at all this subjectively. I won't bash DAZ3D, not good form IMHO, but yes they have changed, changed into a more business like attitude, than a community. Good for the PAs and DAZ3D themselves but not so good for us that want the community spirit in our forums which has been lost over the last few years. I have seen a great influx of newcomers and seen a lot of regulars disappear.

You have to remember that DAZ3D made the break for Poser compatibility and soon PA's realized it was far too much work to provide Poser support for their return of investment. Yes some still do and some of the new PA's don't as they just don't know Poser at all. We have the same on the Poser side. Also another thing to take in to consideration is that DAZ3D's primary income is content and due to their own innovations, Poser support has been decreasing or awkward at best, sometimes the DSON exporter works and sometimes is doesn't. But what if you could get a bunch of Poser content makers in a store to boost Poser Support in one foul swoop.

I am the customer that doesn't complain if a product is Poser Only, I just won't buy it. Simple really.

Now if the RDNA crew are kept on board and have say in things we might see a better DAZ3D site with more artwork published, cause man that RDNA site is awesome. (but not as awesomenesses as this place. )

It may come to light that it was the best choice or no choice.

I personally don't care either way, I don't buy much from other stores and don't buy much from DAZ3D so at the moment it doesn't affect me. I am not naive to think it might not affect me in terms of choice and price in the future. Time will tell.

 

[paganeagle2001]

It may have been in the way I phrased that. It is easier to make things than it used to be. Yes, quality does take time to get to that point, but... if people don't start, they will never get to that stage.

I have seen people take time to get the same quality of a expensive paid for product in a freebie, so I know quality when I see it.

I did have a part in my old thread on content making before the old site went tootle about how long it does take to get things done. The one thing I have always been about content making is... honest.

Yes, I can knock a quick dynamic item up in about 5 minutes, but then I have to do the dreaded UV, then the material zones, then finding the right materials etc. and as we know that all starts adding up on time.

All the best.

Richard

 

[paganeagle2001]

Interesting, downloads at RDNA appears to be very slow!!!! Perhaps people are getting their previously paid for products!!!

All the best.

Richard

 

[paganeagle2001]

Okay, here you go for the routine.

Log in to RDNA, Select the Account option, select the Downloads option, then away you go and download loads of stuff.

Get it all before the close up.

All the best.

Richard

 

[Alisa]

Wow - DalekSupreme, KittyBrown, phdubrov, Kendall, any other New Bees I missed - WELCOME!

This is a very big deal to all of us who've been in the 3D World for awhile. Some are going to be sad, some happy. It's fine to express that..though we don't, of course, want to get into any bashing. Syyd, Colm & Eric are the only ones who can say why they made this choice, so let's try to not speculate on that, ok? And as always, this is a Poser and DAZ Studio friendly place.

The negativity, and in some cases, outright animosity I'm seeing from Poser users is bothersome. The tribalism needs to stop.

Poser, DS, Carrara, Maya, C4D, Shade3d (and others) are *tools* people, nothing more. Use them to your best advantage. Buy content, use it, and be happy.

There are great people at all of the sites/stores.

Kendall, I think that what folks are expressing here is a concern, based on losing a marketplace that's been around for a long time. Right now, there's a huge concern about the future of the Poser products currently at RDNA and the vendors who produced them. DAZ has been steering away from Poser products in recent years. Perhaps that is going to change, but it is certainly understandable, given the way DAZ has been going, that Poser users are worried. You are absolutely right that all of these programs are but tools to be used to your best advantage - very well stated!

I just hope that what has happened doesn't adversely effect the atmosphere here as I really love this place.

We have no intention of this adversely affecting us, Pen .

Sorry Kendell, people here actually discuss topics. We are allowed to have a voice and say we are upset by what has happened. This would not be tolerated at certain sites, in fact they would have deleted a lot of post as they don't like "negativity" to be on their forums.

Everyone keep in mind that there can be a fine line between discussion and insulting/bashing - of other companies and of other software and other posters. I don't think anyone's crossed over that line really in this discussion - there is understandable concern about what will happen with all of RDNA's content, particularly the Poser content.

I hope you are not seeing outright animosity from Poser users here, Kendall. If you, or anyone else, feels that someone has crossed the line, please, report the post, and we will look at it.

The forums here are a lot more friendly because we self regulate what we say.

Well, I'd say that they are more friendly because that is the expectation and policy at this forum . Most people do watch what they say, but sometimes people need reminders that they need to be considerate of others.

As usuale I'm seeing a lot of speculation and mis information, for example Daz do allow non Daz products in there galleries including the Hivewire figures.

Yes, there is certainly a LOT of speculation (NONE of us know why the RDNA owners chose to sell to DAZ and unless they tell us, we won't know) and a little mis-information, but the mis-information about the galleries at DAZ was immediately corrected, nicely, by a number of people.

But I am concerned about here at Hivewire from what I'm reading I hope this doesn't become the Poser forum, its been bad enough for DS users in other forums and I would hate to feel unwelcome here.

I think people are speculating about whether the official Poser forum would become part of HiveWire. Whether or not that happened, this would not "become the Poser forum" so please don't worry about that. This place supports both DAZ Studio and Poser products. There's no plan to change that no matter how many Poser users/vendors may join us as a result of this shakeup or any other reason. ALL who are willing to follow our TOS are welcome!

Okay, here you go for the routine.

Log in to RDNA, Select the Account option, select the Downloads option, then away you go and download loads of stuff.

Get it all before the close up.

I don't think there's any reason for mass panic here, ok? It has been said both at RDNA and DAZ that ALL your currrent RDNA content, including gifts you received, will become part of your DAZ products. You need to ensure that you RDNA email address is the same as the one you use at DAZ and it is supposed to be ported over.

I'd say it's not a bad idea to get proof of your purchases at RDNA in case something gets lost in the process.

 

[paganeagle2001]

There are those of us that do not go to DAZ, that is why I am downloading my products. I already have them backed up, but this is a back up for the back up, a just in case.

No one here should feel left out, there is enough room for Poser, Studio or whatever programs people use.

All the best.

Richard

 

[Alisa]

There are those of us that do not go to DAZ, that is why I am downloading my products. I already have them backed up, but this is a back up for the back up, a just in case.

Ah, I see. Yes, if you are someone who will not go to DAZ, then you definitely do want to be sure to have adequate backups

No one here should feel left out, there is enough room for Poser, Studio or whatever programs people use.

Absolutely!!

 

[James R.]

I'm saddened by this. And I was shocked because this announcement seemed to come from out of the blue.

This is presently a huge loss to the Poser community. I've been at RDNA for ten years. I will miss the people there.

I know that Syyd, et al, had to come to some hard realizations in order to get to the point of making this decision to merge with DAZ. I think the writing was on the wall for them (and for RDNA members) this past summer when they started selling DAZ Studio-oriented products.

My initial feelings of shock and sadness are fading though, because I understand business decisions -- even when I don't "agree" with them.

But I think Syyd and her gang know that DAZ will absorb them and that RuntimeDNA, and their current Poser products, will effectively cease to exist at some point. It's just business: merge with the smaller competition, keep the assets that benefit you, and forget about what you don't need going forward. Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook...this is how they work. And it's how they succeed. DAZ is a very aggressive company with a very specific vision of being the only game in town. I may not like the way they think, and I may not like their actions, but given that a business exists to make money for its owners, I can't entirely fault them for it. Again, it's just business. Sigh.

This has to have been hard for Syyd and Eric and Colm. RuntimeDNA was their life. It was their baby. But they've made their choice and they will have to live with what occurs over the next year with DAZ. I wish them well, I really do.

I'm a Poser user, and I have been for a decade. I'm loyal to Poser -- but I'm a fan, not a fanatic. I have a lot of time and money invested in it as my main creative platform, and this is the main reason for my loyalty to it. Only recently (in the past six months) have I started using DAZ Studio for some specific items because so much content from my favourite content artists at DAZ is now DAZ-only. I don't expect that DAZ's vision will suddenly change and that they'll go back to being Poser-inclusive. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I don't think I am.

I guess my own business decision will have to involve learning to use Studio alongside Poser so that I can have the greatest range of options available to me as an artist. This is what is most important to me. Limiting myself and my choices out of some kind of unquestioning loyalty can only harm me. I can't recall who said it in a previous post here, but yes, Poser and Studio are tools. Both have their adherents (and zealots) like Mac vs. PC (don't even start, lol), but hey, I use both of those, too.

Why should an artist limit him or herself to only using a pencil when learning to use a brush opens new possibilities?

I hope that Poser will continue to exist, and to thrive. It's good software. The new Superfly/Cycles engine is amazing and has opened up major doors to creativity. If the overall plans for the new Pauline and Paul figures pan out, it could be very good for artists and content creators. And of course there is Dawn and Dusk, too. There are lots of possibilities. There are lots of opportunities.

The fact is, this is a very crucial and fascinating time for the Poser/DAZ world in general. Things are evolving quickly. Everyone with a stake in Poser will need to make good decisions and long-term goals. From what Chris says, it sounds like Hivewire has those things going for it -- and for us.

Okay, I'll put away my soapbox.