That's the same conclusion I came to. Thanks for the feedback! ^____^
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Poser clones for clothing conversions
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That's the same conclusion I came to. Thanks for the feedback! ^____^
I bet a lot people will keep asking these same questions over time. Some programs, like iClone, use a single figure for all purposes, so the clothing always fits no matter what shape or gender the figure mesh assumes. But in Poser\DS, we have to deal with multiple random figures, and projection quality is not up to the task yet.
Glitterati3D
Dances with Bees
I don't know what you mean by projection, but I find that Poser does morph transfer VERY WELL if you pay attention to mesh density. Transferring morphs should always be from a HIGHER density figure to the lower density one and will transfer very nicely. For example, if I have a fairly high polygon model I need to transfer morphs to I use the DEV KITS supplied, but if my model is low poly, I transfer the morphs from my MultiPurpose Gown or Afrodite-Ohki's Bodysuits which are both lower density than the DEV Kits. Some folks have even told me they can't use the DEV KITS because they are so high density they slow down their computers and I advise to use the lower poly models which work fine for them.
That was what I loved about the original genesis. Vendors didn't handle it very well so Daz caved as they had realised it also cut into their sales. But it was an amazing figure.
This is what I've heard about templates also that higher quality of mesh will give better results. Dawn only has a few official templates from Hivewire and the Dvl Lvd templates were an experiment on his part and still need work after using them especially on long dresses. I think Paul and Chris underestimate how important having good templates is. The Genesis 8 was are amazing and results are generally much better when using them.
Glitterati3D
Dances with Bees
The thing is, I started utilizing templates because of those included with Dawn. It simply would not have occurred to me without the success I had with the Dawn template. Of course, we greatly expanded their use with La Femme and L'Homme, but the idea originated with Dawn for me.
I find that using a well rigged item, close in style and poly density to do the transfer works with just about anything. So, for instance, before the DEV Kits were polished in La Femme, I took great care to rig a dress I knew I could use as a template and started all my rigging by transferring the joint zones and morphs FROM that dress before I did any other rigging. The base rigging was nearly complete when doing it that way and clean up and refinement was all that was needed, saving a great deal of time.
With the Dev Kits, there were specific morphs that required serious clean up and work to make them look right before the Dev Kits were developed (I cussed every time I had to work on La Femme's Body Kit Rubenesque morph, for instance) but found them nearly perfect after transfer from the high poly Dev Kit! And I won't even list all the breast morphs I no longer had to painstakingly remove boob socks and chest crushing from, LOL. (Blackhearted's Push Up Bra morph was my nightmare!)
It's really not much different now from spherical rigging, where we just changed the object call in the CR2 and had most of the rigging done way back when.
Glitterati3D
Dances with Bees
Speaking of manual conversions.......I manually converted several V4 pieces to La Femme over the weekend. Sojourner was one of my favorite 3D pieces ever, so I did it first. I took about 5 hours to export the object files, bring them into the modeler, perfect the fit to La Femme, then export, group and rig for her. Sojourner on LF with original UV maps and textures.
Glitterati3D
Dances with Bees
Then I followed with Seasons:
Glitterati3D
Dances with Bees
Thank you, Pen.
I am seriously considering setting up a conversion "service" for the V4/M4 libraries to Dawn/Dusk and La Femme/L'Homme. I would, of course, give the original vendor first right of refusal to accept and market the Poser version, but I find most of them are not interested. I've done a number of DS conversions to Poser including DM's White Spring Collections 3 and 4, some background props from FE at DAZ, Stonemason's Streets of London, as well as clothing. None of them are interested in supporting Poser versions.
Of course, the user would have to prove they own the original versions to purchase a conversion since it uses they original object and textures. That makes them useless to those who would conspire to steal the conversions since they would be useless without the originals.
But, if the impediment to acceptance of Dawn/Dusk and La Femme/L'Homme is the massive catalog of V4/M4 stuff it makes sense to eliminate the impediment, doesn't it?
