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The Anchorage, Part 3

Mythocentric

Extraordinary
When I was at school and after I used to hang around with two guys called Ronnie and Dave. Ronnie was the archetypal keep-fit, "my body is a temple" fanatic and regularly swam, cycled and ran every week in addition to his gym activities all powered by a carefully chosen diet to sustain his activities. Dave, on the other hand, was a sort of left-wing Vegan who kept a number of local health food stores in business. Even to the extreme of insisting that his dog followed a vegetarian diet! Then there's me. Now I've got to be honest and admit I like good food, with various lapses including Burger King quarter-pound cheeseburgers (although I always insist on a salad with it) and Fish & Chips with mushy peas, a love for which I share with our Lucy. After all, fish contains oils which are beneficial to the brain, right? I also smoke the dreaded weed, but never around the girls both of whom are incited to commit acts of violence on my person if I dare to light up near them, and in spite of our dear governments attempts to shift the burden of the billions of £ in lost taxes (tax in the UK comprises 80% of the price of tobacco products!) onto the taxpayer in the form of stealthy increases on other forms of tax. And the point of this diatribe? Well, I find it rather telling that I'm the only one still alive and kicking due to the other two both having 'shuffled off this mortal coil' in their early fifties! I hasten to add that I have never spent time in hospital either!
 

Terre

Renowned
You're in good company man. George Burns made it too 100. :)
ETA: I was just thinking, every time I come across an interview or report about someone who is 100 or more that person has always been the "moderation in all things including moderation" sort of person.
 
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Bonnie2001

Extraordinary
Luck might have something to do with it. I mean lots of keep fit and eat healty people live to be very old, and lots of fried breakfast and ciggys everyday die horrible deaths at young ages.
 

McGyver

Energetic
It's all very random...
A guy I knew was a real health nut and none of that helped him overcome the fully loaded shipping container that was dropped on him...
On the other hand, another guy I knew smoked and drank and none of that made him drive off a cliff in Colorado...
Okay, maybe the drinking part did.
I think the best thing is not to do or eat any one thing to an excess.

And not to stand under shipping containers or drive off of cliffs.

By the way Terre, interesting site you gave a link to... I emailed it to myself so I won't forget it.
 

Hornet3d

Wise
I was surprised when I was first diagnosed with diabetes because I have never been a fast food fanatic and when asked I told the doctors I had no history of diabetes in the family. Doctor then informed me he thought in my case it was due to my life style. I travelled a lot and across time zones so I would often go for long periods without food, turns out there is some basis for the little but often mantra. While in an Australian hospital my wife in the UK kept my mother from knowing anything was wrong so she did not worry. It was some months after my return that I came clean, only at that point did my mother tell me that my grandmother and uncle were both diabetic, so the odds were against me from the start.

I think the thing that bugs me the most is that the advice on what is good for keeps changing I notice the latest, in the UK at least, is that butter is not as bad for you as they first thought. I have also been told never to eat eggs, or eat eggs but only once of twice a week or eat eggs but no more than one a day. Skimmed milk is good for me but full fat milk is better for my bones. Chocolate is bad for me unless I am having a sugar low then it is good for me, if I am having a low never eat chocolate, have a sports drink instead. I could go on but I think I am already becoming boring, although after the food I could go on to the advice on medications. Does leave me with one question though, if the tablets are keeping me alive why is there a list four pages long of all the bad things I should look out for while taking them.
 

Terre

Renowned
Luck might have something to do with it. I mean lots of keep fit and eat healty people live to be very old, and lots of fried breakfast and ciggys everyday die horrible deaths at young ages.
Yup.
When it comes to drinking, smoking, exercise, diet..... you'll see examples of every type among people who are 80+ except (morbid obesity) and people who die sooner. (When folks get to 300lbs and up the "morbid" part kicks in and drops them sooner.)

@McGyver : You're welcome.
 

quietrob

Extraordinary
What is life without a cup of coffee and a slice a cake from time to time.

Have you seen anyone on a diet? They look sad. No one on a diet looks happy. How can you expect to live long and healthy if you are sad?

I do believe I'll have a slice of peach tort from Trader Joe's and a light roast cup of coffee.

Metformin, get to work.
 

Pendraia

Sage
Contributing Artist
I looked at Paleo for about 2 secs...restrict cheese...how could they! I like my food...my daughter accuses me of no will power but I just can't see the point in living a long life if you're not going to be able to enjoy it. ;)
When I was at school and after I used to hang around with two guys called Ronnie and Dave. Ronnie was the archetypal keep-fit, "my body is a temple" fanatic and regularly swam, cycled and ran every week in addition to his gym activities all powered by a carefully chosen diet to sustain his activities. Dave, on the other hand, was a sort of left-wing Vegan who kept a number of local health food stores in business. Even to the extreme of insisting that his dog followed a vegetarian diet! Then there's me. Now I've got to be honest and admit I like good food, with various lapses including Burger King quarter-pound cheeseburgers (although I always insist on a salad with it) and Fish & Chips with mushy peas, a love for which I share with our Lucy. After all, fish contains oils which are beneficial to the brain, right? I also smoke the dreaded weed, but never around the girls both of whom are incited to commit acts of violence on my person if I dare to light up near them, and in spite of our dear governments attempts to shift the burden of the billions of £ in lost taxes (tax in the UK comprises 80% of the price of tobacco products!) onto the taxpayer in the form of stealthy increases on other forms of tax. And the point of this diatribe? Well, I find it rather telling that I'm the only one still alive and kicking due to the other two both having 'shuffled off this mortal coil' in their early fifties! I hasten to add that I have never spent time in hospital either!
Have to agree with this...my husband used to do lots of running and self defence stuff when he was younger and now has major back problems which are connected to this. I'm the original couch potato and have none of these issue apart from some aches in the joints due to arthritis. That said I've just invested in a recumbent exercise bike so I can sit in comfort and exercise...looked at the other bikes and thought no way would I use those every day but a more comfortable one...that I can see being used. What can I say...I like my comforts!
 

quietrob

Extraordinary
And you're happy Pen. I think having a hubby that loves you contributes to this. Love = Happiness. Diet = Sad. More love and less diets!

I still enjoy baby back's (No @McGyver No babies were harmed). And to Pen, I say...Restrict Cheese? Please inform your wonderful daughter who could probably fly out to California and beat me up that I say. Not on your tin type, missy! I want my cheese, I need my cheese! And Sour Cream! So There! (So There is equal to "I Has Spoken!" and ends all arguments.

Does Cheesecake have cheese?
 

Pendraia

Sage
Contributing Artist
Much happier than I would be either on my own or without cheese!! My doctor talked about diet with me and was shocked when I said I wanted quality of life over quantity. It's all my dad's fault he brought me up to enjoy life and often quoted from this Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam .
His favourite part was
Here with a Loaf of Bread beneath the Bough,
A Flask of Wine, a Book of Verse—and Thou
Beside me singing in the Wilderness—
And Wilderness is Paradise enow.
 

Bonnie2001

Extraordinary
But to be totally fair, some healthy eaters look really healthy and perfect. There are a vegans in my school and they never have acne or get sick. Their mother is fairly old at about 46 and she only looks 30 (doesn't even wear makeup) and is thin and fitter than most of the other younger mothers. So there is something to be said for eating the right things, but its hard work when we are bombarded with advertising for junk food.
 

Satira Capriccio

Renowned
CV-BEE
Contributing Artist
At 46, she's just entered middle age by most definitions. US Census considers middle age to be from 45 to 65. Early adulthood is defined as 20-39/40, or in some cases even 44/45.

Eric Erikson's stages of psychosocial development identified eight stages of development.
infancy, 0–2 years
early childhood, 2–4 years
preschool, 4–5 years
school age, 5–12 years
adolescence, 13–19 years
early adulthood, 20-39 years
adulthood, 40–64 years
maturity, 65 – death​

I will be 65 this year, and I'm absolutely not fairly old! But, I'm also not sure I like the idea of being categorized as "mature." I seriously can't see how another few months will suddenly turn me into a person who no longer acts immature :p


When I was 40, I was still being carded. OMG! That's so freaking ridiculous! Honestly, I think the waiter was just being a jerk and carded me because he'd overheard I didn't have my driver's license with me. Come on. I was living on Nantucket Island. I was more upset by his attitude than by not being able to drink. I'm not sure why the summer staff on Nantucket Island tend to have such a condescending attitude. It's not like any of them are wealthy, or they wouldn't be spending their summer working in shops and restaurants.

I am constantly questioned every time I mention my age. When I was 40, people were surprised I had an 18 year old son. I had to show my driver's license several times to prove I really, really was 40. Now I'm in my 60s, you'd think people could tell I am ancient. But no. Most people think I'm somewhere in my 40s. I absolutely have wrinkles, but for some reason, they aren't anywhere near as obvious to others as they are to me. My hair is no longer mousy brown, but greyish. Though, I can only tell that when I look in the mirror in the bathroom at work (fluorescent lights) or when I gather up my hair after I've cut it. The cut off hair seems to be a fairly even mix of grey and mousy brown hair. Mind you, my great grandmother still had dark hair into her 90s. But, she also looked old!

I was raised in a family where most meals involved fried meat, mashed potatoes and gravy, and primarily canned vegetables. I've also been overweight-obese all my life ... as was my father and all but one of his siblings. At least, the one time I remember seeing my dad's youngest sister, she was thin. My mom's family were thin, though that changed once my grandmother, mother, and her sisters went through menopause. It really wasn't very enjoyable to grow up with a tall, skinny mother, as well as three skinny younger brothers.

As an adult, I try to eat healthy, but I haven't consistently achieved that yet. Over the years, meat has become rarer in my meals. Every few months, I buy a package of boneless, skinless chicken thighs for a slow cooker stew, but that's about it. I'm not vegan or vegetarian, I just rarely eat meat. I also try to eat fresh vegetables ... primarily broccoli and brussels sprouts because I love them, but I fail on that far too often. I'm not much on spending time in the kitchen preparing a meal, so I'm quickly frustrated at having to spend even five minutes trimming the ends and outer leaves off brussels sprouts or cutting broccoli florets off the stalk. Sometimes, I'll toss a bag of steamable frozen corn or peas in the microwave, but it's not a very powerful microwave, so it takes sooo long to steam them. (Long being 5-8 minutes).

I rarely eat out, and almost never get fast food. I started making an exception a few years ago after periodontist and vet visits. To get to both takes me right past a McDonalds ... I really, really like McDonald's chicken mcnuggets and fries. So after a visit to either, I often stop at the McDonalds for lunch. I also rarely dr ink pop/soft drinks. Mostly it's water, chai, or milk. Snacks are reserved for the weekend. After a couple years of avoiding any snacks, I rebelled and started buying a bag of chips for the weekend.
 

Terre

Renowned
Quality of life is better than quantity, most certainly.
Hubby likes meat, cheese, and eggs and is terrified of going blind (his eyes were what led to the diagnosis) and so is actually happy with this diet and the result he's gotten. Like I said, not everyone can do things the way he is. Anyone who is following a diet they have to force themselves to stick to has a problem.
I originally was fixing the same stuff for both of us just because it's easier but have discovered that my situation has resulted in big benefits too so I'm happy also.
 

Hornet3d

Wise
When I was diagnosed with diabetes, although I was in Australia, I was tended by an Irish nurse (with the most wonderful accent). Her advice was not to give up anything completely on the basis it will either be upsetting or it would become an even bigger problem. Her answer was to have a small portion of whatever it is you miss as a treat on an occasional basis. There was so much other advice that, fifteen years on, has turned out to be true I suspect this is very good advice. Certainly a small piece of real chocolate appears to have less negative impact on my body than diabetic chocolate.

I certainly am more interested in quality of life than quantity but this is tempered by the fact that I also fear for my eye sight. There is already some signs of damage even though it is not bad enough to be treated at present. Then again at 64 I can expect my eyesight to change whether I have diabetes or not.
 

Terre

Renowned
@Hornet3d : Normal diabetic chocolate really isn't good for you. A friend found a homemade sugar free chocolate recipe that I modified into something I can fix a small batch of for special occasions. The sweetener I use is Steviva Blend Steviva Blend | Steviva Brands Sweeteners which doesn't have the effects of other sugar alcohols on him.
I can post the recipe if you wish.
 

Hornet3d

Wise
@Hornet3d : Normal diabetic chocolate really isn't good for you. A friend found a homemade sugar free chocolate recipe that I modified into something I can fix a small batch of for special occasions. The sweetener I use is Steviva Blend Steviva Blend | Steviva Brands Sweeteners which doesn't have the effects of other sugar alcohols on him.
I can post the recipe if you wish.


That sound great, would love the recipe if you could, when you have time.
 

Terre

Renowned
OK, here it is;

Terre's Homemade Sugar Free Minty Dark Chocolate

4 oz unsweetened baking chocolate
4TBSP + 1TSP Steviva BLend
4 TBSP butter/margarine (I use butter)
1 TSP vanilla extract
1/4 TSP peppermint extract

Powder the Steviva Blend in a coffee grinder.
Melt chocolate and butter. Add extracts and stir until thoroughly melted.
Stir in sweetener until smooth.
Pour into molds or onto a cookie sheet. Let cool and refrigerate.
This MUST stay in the fridge except for the pieces you intend to eat right then. Since there is no lecithin of any kind it's a "Melt on everything in seconds" type of candy.
 

Terre

Renowned
I adapted that from the coating for a sugar free candy egg recipe that the friend had posted a link to but I can't find the original link.
 

Pendraia

Sage
Contributing Artist
OMG...I haven't looked at Erikson since I went to Uni Satira...we had to look at development theorists. I like Bronfenbrenner better than Erikson but both are good development theorists.

Lots of good points and comments. My bike arrived and I really like it. Did more than 20 mins yesterday while I was trying to work out how to program it and then another 20 mins this morning. I liked that it has a spot for my tablet so I can read while I ride. Exercise tends to be boring other wise...but I want to lower my blood pressure so I'll exercise and monitor my food intake but I'm not going to stop what eating what I enjoy, just dial it back a notch.
 
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