Need fresh eyes to help with celebrity morph!

[Minyassa]

I'm working on a non-commercial Brad Pitt morph (circa late 1990s) for M4 for my own use (I have a character that resembles him xD). After a few hours my eyes and head get sorta tangled up!! I look at a million different photos, tweak, look at a different million photos, tweak some more and undo my previous tweaks, and so forth until my head is swimming and I have no idea what I'm looking at anymore, and of course cannot figure out where I am going wrong. I'm not worrying about asymmetry, though if that's what's throwing the whole thing off I want to know. I just cannot get the CORE look right and now I've just looked at it too much. I'd welcome suggestions on individual features or proportions or heck, a paintover would be *awesome*.

Here's what I have so far. I did the best I could on a skin (still learning how to paint brows) so I'm just concerned with the morph now. It's not helping that I cannot render anything but fastdrafts with no hair (my computer is slowly dying, working on getting a new one) and unrendered screenshots look SO different from rendered ones!! I'll think I'm close, and then test render and...augh!

And then you see what happens when I render it:

Haaaaaaaaalp! I want him to look at least accurate enough for people to recognize without me having to tell them who it is! xD

 

[Rae134]

Wow, big difference from the top one to the rendered one. The top I would have recognised but not the bottom one (although I really like it!)
I think the render is softening the face up too much? You may need to exaggerate the features a little to get what you need? (looks like he's lost his "dimples" in the render).

(I'd keep a version of this and have a play with a different one so you don't loose what you've done so far )

 

[Glitterati3D]

OK, first, I do not create character morphs. So take this with a grain of salt. But here's what I see.

1. Brad Pitt's mouth is not symmetrical. His lip on his left side goes up a bit.
2. He has one dimple. On his left.
3. His eyes are smaller than your morph - not really smaller......shorter, from side to side.

Those were my observations.

 

[Jeanne Harmon]

I recognise him in the screenshot, but not in the render. Maybe try another skin? There are some BP morphs out there in marketplaces.
The lips needs a bit of reworking, smaller upper lip plus less bow.
The eyes, BP has blepharochalasis so the eyes look smaller
Shorten the jaw/chin area, needs to be more rounder.

 

[Minyassa]

Better or worse?

 

[Glitterati3D]

Better or worse?

The eyes are much better..........chin still needs some rounding off a bit.

 

[Minyassa]

That might be an M4 thing, the chin almost never gets truly round without using a round face morph, but I'll fool with it!